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  Now I'm not a JW, is it ok for me to...

  by Julia Orwell in

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  ...drink a lot?

  gosh i love wine.

  i like a good bottle of wine each night, and i have a high tolerance to alcohol, though i never drank much (except for a couple of times with the vodka, but i don't keep that stuff in the house anymore, way too dangerous) as a jw because getting slightly happy is a 'sin'.

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  From the friends at WTBTS . . .

  "Alcohol is a food and is metabolized by the body to provide energy"

  Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1989, page 109
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  Proverbs 4:18 as Last Scriptural Defense for New Light?

  by ProfCNJ in

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  hi folks, good morning.

  july 2013 wt study edition has been discussed and commented on at length here in jw.net and in cedar's blog (jwsurvey.org).

  won't go to technicalities as significant amount of stellar arguments have cast doubt on the new light, let alone break wt's claims anew.. .

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  Ah, how they twist and turn:

  Did they believe that they had all the answers, the full light of truth? To that question Brother Russell pointedly answered: “Certainly not; nor will we have until the ‘perfect day.’” (Prov. 4:18, KJ) Frequently they referred to their Scriptural beliefs as “present truth” — not with any idea that truth itself changes but rather with the thought that their understanding of it was progressive.

  *** jv chap. 10 p. 121 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***
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  new book printed in Germany, not wallkill-why?

  by factfinder in

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  i just recieved a copy of the new book "imitate their faith" and notice it was printed in the german branch, not at wallkill.. why would they ship books here (the us) from germany instead of printing them in wallkill?.

  the new tracts were printed in canada.. is something going on at the wallkill printery that would would hinder book production there?.

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  bats in the belfry

  Now I know - I heard a story about a CO mentioning from the platform something about their fleet of vehicles all coming from VW car dealerships. Bethel Germany has some ongoing deal supplying all COs and DOs with VW products.

  Perhaps soneone can confirm this.
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  Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

  by besty in

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  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.

  study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.

  a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .

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  Study co-author Jordan Silberman says that it would be a mistake to assume their findings mean that if you’re a believer, you’re a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

  To lump, say, Jehovah’s Witnesses with American evangelical Christians would be ridiculous for a study of this type, as JWs decry education (particularly for women), and evangelicals founded such intellectual bastions as Wheaton and currently laud such scholars as scientist Francis Collins, historian Mark Noll, and… well, you get my point.

  So, what's he sayin' then? He is not lumping JWs together with this type of study because of what?

  a) JWs are not a few fries short of a Happy Meal?

  b) There is no Happy Meal with JWs?
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  More fear and paranoia WT-style! (11/15/13 WT)

  by LostGeneration in

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  2. beliefs

  i usually dismiss the "drinking the kool aid" scenarios that are posted from time to time, but the latest wt has another bit of fearmongering.

  the quote from page 20, para 17. elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

  (2) when the assyrian attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that jehovah will deliver us.

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  DATA-DOG / Jeffro >>

  Who is the Assyrian supposed to be anyway?

  

  Isaiah's prophecy - Light for All Mankind, Vol. I (2000)
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  Wait on Jehovah - What does is it truly mean?

  by ProfCNJ in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good evening folks!

  we have encountered this advice countlessly on wt study articles.

  this especially comes out to ease the waiting pain of brothers eagerly waiting for god's new world and the end of the old system of things - with all the sufferings that go along with it.. i also noticed this being floated to try to extend the patience of brothers who are jumping ahead of the organization in terms of thinking - as if they are pre-empting the organization on certain sensitive views and issues.. if a brother has gotten an idea or insight that is far more superior than the present affairs in the society, or regarded as way in advance - he can be branded as a brother "not in order".

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  Didn't you know?

  This worldwide evangelizing organization is not tailored according to any present-day legal corporation that may be required under the laws of man-made political governments that now face destruction in the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” at Har–Magedon. (Rev. 16:14-16) No legal corporation of earth shapes the evangelizing organization or governs it. Rather, it governs such corporations as mere temporary instruments useful in the work of the great Theocrat. Hence it is patterned according to His design for it. It is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine Top down, and not from the rank and file up. The dedicated, baptized members of it are under Theocracy! Earthly legal corporations will cease when the man-made governments that chartered them perish shortly. But the theocratic organization will live on, serving its Supreme Theocratic Ruler. Under his protection it will enter into his righteous new order. It will be right there on hand, as soon as the “great tribulation” is over, and be instantly ready to serve as His instrument in his new order.

  The Watchtower 1971, December 15, page 754 par. 29

  FYI: After all competition is eliminated, the WTBTS will direct affairs from the top down just like any present-day legal corporation.

  See also . . . The diary of a Armageddon survivor
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  Times articles about JW's

  by zound in

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  i found a bunch of old time articles about rutherford, fred franz, shunning etc.

  only problem is you need to be a time's subscriber to download the full articles.

  anyone on here that subscribes could you download them and share?.

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  It ain't Times . . . but a good write-up nevertheless.

  Peddlers of Paradise – The American Magazine, November 1940

  

  more . . .
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  I just created an account on jw.org

  by nonjwspouse in

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  just what is the purpose for it?

  i can get to all the stuff without an account except with the account i can look up meeting times of a local congo, or conventions, and donate to the wtbts.

  that seems to be it.in fact, once signed in that is all that is available and have to go back to being logged out to get anything else on the site.. what gives?

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  Splash >> Depending on your access level you can access km's

  That's just the thing: After login a publisher should be able to get her/his km's online - but you can't.
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  Exactly what did Geza Vermes write?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  [if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:trackmoves /> <w:trackformatting /> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:donotpromoteqf /> <w:lidthemeother>en-au</w:lidthemeother> <w:lidthemeasian>x-none</w:lidthemeasian> <w:lidthemecomplexscript>x-none</w:lidthemecomplexscript> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> <w:splitpgbreakandparamark /> <w:enableopentypekerning /> <w:dontflipmirrorindents /> <w:overridetablestylehps /> <w:usefelayout /> </w:compatibility> <w:donotoptimizeforbrowser /> <m:mathpr> <m:mathfont m:val="cambria math" /> <m:brkbin m:val="before" /> <m:brkbinsub m:val="&#45;-" /> <m:smallfrac m:val="off" /> <m:dispdef /> <m:lmargin m:val="0" /> <m:rmargin m:val="0" /> <m:defjc m:val="centergroup" /> <m:wrapindent m:val="1440" /> <m:intlim m:val="subsup" /> <m:narylim m:val="undovr" /> </m:mathpr></w:worddocument> </xml><![endif].

  [endif][if gte mso 10]> <style> /* style definitions */ table.msonormaltable {mso-style-name:"table normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"times new roman","serif"; mso-ansi-language:en-us; mso-fareast-language:en-us;} </style> <![endif].

  the following is from how can you have a happy life, watchtower bible and tract society, 2013:.

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  Cross-referenced: 2013 How Can You Have a Happy Life?
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  I just created an account on jw.org

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just what is the purpose for it?

  i can get to all the stuff without an account except with the account i can look up meeting times of a local congo, or conventions, and donate to the wtbts.

  that seems to be it.in fact, once signed in that is all that is available and have to go back to being logged out to get anything else on the site.. what gives?

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  bats in the belfry

  Just like nonjwspouse mentioned - there is no extra information available on the the first layer of access granted. Nothing you couldn't also get by clicking through their website.

  It makes you feel kind of stupid after supplying them with registry information (clandestine/fake).

  How many levels? I guess COs and DOs should be on Game Level 3. But don't take my word for it, ask them.